Topic: Oorlog 3 december day 6 what will putin do? IMHO what should west do?

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https://drugstoreculture.com/russia-ukraine/
Anxiety, geography and Russia’s quest for Ukraine
David Patrikarakos
David Patrikarakos on the motives behind the country’s pervasive desire to expand


During his G20Summit2018 press conference, Putin takes great pleasure in mockingly pointing out that "two little boats gifted to Ukraine by the U.S. couldn't even get through the Kerch Strait."
https://liveuamap.com/en/2018/1-december-during-his-g20summit2018-press-conference-putin

War will continue so long as Ukraine government stays: Putin "| so it was YOU all along ? not that we didn't know that...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-continue-long-ukraine-government-stays-putin-213718679.html?soc_src=community&fbc

http://euromaidanpress.com/2018/12/02/in-russia-today-i-see-a-country-preparing-for-a-major-war-pastukhov-says/?fbc

George Kennan+
Don't expect to agree on same grounds with gremlins of Kremlin, we all have seen his behavior in Chechyna, Syria and Ukraine, Minsk RF didn't even abide the first rule:ceasefire, which costed Ukraine 10.000 deaths  and over 20.000 wounded, he doesn't care if he has to bomb civilians, kindergartens, schools, churches or hospitals, all is allowed in his mind, no matter what international law says, he only uses the EXCUSE of international law on his enemies, and that's the free world aka everything inside/outside the former Soviet Union. which he wants to resurrect. He only agrees if he gets his way...this lower life form and that's how world should treat him, with disgust.
EUrope depends for its gas on Ukraine so.. Ukraine should order EUrope's countries to send its soldiers to protect their gas access system thru Ukraine , if they leave Ukraine in the cold, RF actions may cut off their gas and leave EUrope in the cold, and well that's the least of Ukraine worries, when Ukraine lives and country are at stake.

Those soldiers don't have to be in NATO connection btw, and ok Georgia - Ukraine are not NATO countries, but NATO also fought in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere which are also not-NATO countries and not even in North Atlantic Treaty Organization area...so if NATO can act on simple president's request like with Iraq, it could and should in Ukraine, and Georgia..

But perhaps that was Putin's plan all along, leaving EUrope in the cold, blame Ukraine, who has winterstorage full and keep warm, while RF cuts off EUrope's access to gas.. and then attacks Black & Baltic Sea countries.What will be then Frau Ribbentrop Merkel answer? "Wir schaffen das" ? ROFL OL

Perhaps with USA/Qatar-Poland, Norway and Baltic line Ukraine can become a independent from RF distributor, but RF will try to prevent that, a extra competitor in EUrope they can't have.so after Nordstream , Turkish Stream RF will attack Ukraine gas transit system to rule competition (from) and Ukraine out and have EUrope in a grip,

EUrope politicians don't look ahead more then their term, but logically this will happen between now and 2021. Ofc RF will loose, but 10.000's will die .

So if "EU army" (not NATO ) comes in to protect gas transit system in Ukraine, RF can't attack that , and cause then those EU army put on NATO insigna...like RF did in Crimea.
always battle enemy with its own weapons and tactics

Ukraine had no EU esp. germany friends, a friend with greed is no friend indeed, but when RF in war with Ukraine ,that gasflow to EUrope which only delivers 8% of Ukraine budget, is of minor importance to Ukraine, since EUrope also doesn't give any guarantee for gas transit system after 2019. So who cares, Ukraine certainly not when RF is trying to inflict in broad public view another Holodomor in Ukraine.

https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/28/how-should-europe-respond-to-the-ukraine-russia-tension-flare-up-raw-politics

Trolls from Olgino,  Savushkina Street in St. Petersburg are again in force  here If I read the other comments, well instead that can easily be countered if countries that have  state-run fake news/spam/malware cyberterrorism are simply block from internet entirely, just  close a few hubs around RF and the lower-life form problem is over, and would have enormous economic  consequences for RF.
Regarding the question against the lower-life form aggression is in fact also simple:
EUrope depends for its gas on Ukraine so.. Ukraine should order EUrope's countries to send its soldiers to protect their gas access system thru Ukraine , if they leave Ukraine in the cold, RF actions may cut off their gas and leave EUrope in the cold, and well that's the least of Ukraine worries, when Ukraine lives and country are at stake.
Those soldiers don't have to be in NATO connection btw, and ok Georgia - Ukraine are not NATO countries,
but NATO also fought in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere which are also not-NATO countries and not even in
North Atlantic Treaty Organization area...so if NATO can act on simple president's request like with Iraq, it could and should in Ukraine, and Georgia..

But perhaps that was Putin's plan all along, leaving EUrope in the cold, blame Ukraine, who has winterstorage full and keep warm, while RF cuts off EUrope's access to gas.. and then attacks Black & Baltic Sea countries.What will be then Frau Ribbentrop Merkel answer? "Wir schaffen das" ? ROFL OL

my point being Ukraine has winterstorage so keep it warm, if EU doesn't defend its gas acess system in Ukraine with soldiers, Ukraine won't defend gas flow to EUrope but will only defend its country and people, but perhaps wrecking ukraine gas system after Nordstream etc. ready, RF will have EUrope in cold grip and can attack Black + Baltic Sea countries

perhaps with USA/Poland, Norway and Baltic line Ukraine can become a independent from RF distributor, but RF will try to prevent that, a extra competitor in EUrope they can't have.

so after Nordstream , Turkish Stream RF will attack Ukraine gas trasit sytem to rule competition (from) and Ukraine out
and have EUrope in a grip, EUrope politicians don't look ahead more then their term, but logically this will happen between now and 2021. Ofc RF will loose, but 1(00)000's will die .So if "EU army" (not NATO 🙂 ) comes in to protect gas transit system in Ukraine, RF can't attack that , and cause then those EU army put on NATO insigna...like RF did in Crimea.
always battle enemy with its own weapons and tactics
Ukraine had no EU esp. germany friends, a friend with greed is no friend indeed, but when RF in war with Ukraine that gasflow to EUrope which only delivers 8% of Ukraine budget, is of minor importance to Ukraine, since EUrope also doesn't give any guarantee for gas transit system after 2019. So who cares, Ukraine certainly not when RF is trying to inflict in broad public view another Holodomor in Ukraine.



1. block RF internet that stops RF state run cyberterrorism

2. Send "EU soldiers" to Ukraine to protect EUrope's gas access thru Ukraine gas transit system, cause that will be the target from now untill 2021

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentroppact
Trouwens nazi Duitsland en Rusland zijn Tweede Wereld oorlog SAMEN begonnen, de zgn. Ribbentrop-Molotov overeenkomst van 1939, dit http://time2wakeup.me/?p=4757&f  is een duidelijk kremlinmedia site geen wonder dat hun fakenews gecensureerd wordt op Twitter en Facebook
ROFL OL ! WW3 is al begonnen Februari 2014 in Ukraine en eerder in Georgia in 2008... en tussen nu in winter en 2021 winter gaat Putin Oekraine's gas transit systeem aanvallen en uitschakelen en Oekraine  gaat dat NIET verdedigen, omdat EUropa Oekraine al sinds 2014 in de steek laat en Ribbentrop Duitsland en Rusland Oekraine na 2019 geen garantie geven dat t systeem van Oekraine nog gebruikt wordt, dus het zal Oekraine een worst zijn dat EUropa geen gas meer krijgt. Oekraine heeft op meerdere plekken  opslagbunkers en zorgt er t/m zomer altijd voor wintervoorraad gas te hebben dus als Rusland gas uitschakelt dan heeft Oekraine nog genoeg, en krijgt via Polen-Noorwegen en Qatar/USA nog meer, en houdt t warm, EUropa NIET! Rusland heeft nu 6 bases ingericht aan noord -oost en zuidkant met ieder 50.000 man en er staan ook 900 jachtvliegtuigen en bommenwerpers en 340 helicopters klaar voor een aanval, naast zo'n 2000 tanks. (Oekraine heeft 2214 tanks, Nederland 0)  Maar Europese politici en de pro-rusland media/groepen zoals deze denken niet verder vooruit.  Dus als EUropa geen "EU soldaten" naar Oekraine sturen omdat gas transit systeem te beschermen, zet rusland komende jaren de gastoevoer stil net als ze deden in 2004,2008 en 2009 en zit EUopa in winterse kou en kan Rusland Zwarte en Baltische Zee landen aanvallen omdat die in de kou en donker zitten.uwens nazi Duitsland en Rusland zijn Tweede Wereld oorlog SAMEN begonnen, de zgn. Ribbentrop-Molotov overeenkomst van 1939, dit is een duidelijk kremlinmedia site geen wonder dat hun fakenews gecensureerd wordt op Twitter en Facebook


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/books/review/red-famine-stalin-ukraine-anne-applebaum.html?fb

Why nobody knows about the prince, Mstislav the Brave,who in the fluff and dust broke the first offensive against Kiev Muscovites? This must know all!

http://kenguru.plus/2018/10/20/chomu-nihto-ne-znaye-pro-knyazya-kotryj-v-puh-i-prah-rozbyv-pershyj-nastup-na-kyyiv-moskovytiv-tse-mayut-znaty-vsi/?fb

https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-continue-long-ukraine-government-stays-putin-213718679.html?soc_src=community&fbc

--https://www.wsj.com/articles/ways-to-make-putin-pay-for-ukraine-1543365336?fbc


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