Topic: Oorlog Rusland 31 - januari 2015 When will they ever learn?

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Marlene Dietrich: Where Have All The Flowers Gone? (Royal Variety Performance. 1963)
when will they ever learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhEwpRcPozE  are we on the eve of man made destruction or revolution?

the word rus or russian will be for the next 50-100 years equal to "a not to trust easy to influence lower life form" aka dumbass (brainless), so let's call DNR/LNR (occupied Donbass) , Novorussia just that, dumbass..

 btw just saw CNN, reporting on "pro-russian separatists" against Ukraine armed forces, isn't it time after 1 year with all the evidence to call them russian invasion force? CNN still calls it crisis in Ukraine, while I changed that title in my blog (more collection of 50-100 links a day) into war russia against ukraine on march 8, 2014.

https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/status/561492295649091584/photo/1  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-P38HsmJ38
 #Putin makes #Ukraine bleed. #Obama& #Merkel think they're on the right side of history/fence

Russia's top 60 lies about Ukraine In the USA have published of 60 fakes Russian media

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine see also budapest memorandum

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-11/news/mn-10675_1_nuclear-arsenal
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/28/ukraines-broken-nuclear-promises-248003.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-01-16/news/9401160298_1_president-leonid-kravchuk-ukraine-russians   In this: "  He (clinton) proceeded to Kiev to seal an accord designed to prevent another Eastern European country from protecting itself. " and "
But what if the Russians eventually start behaving not like Swiss but  like Russians? Their history of treating neighbors like galley slaves  didn't begin with communism and probably didn't end with it. In that  case, one of the first targets will be Ukraine, which was joined to  Russia for three centuries and which many Russians continue to regard as  rightfully theirs.
Without the bomb, Ukraine will find it hard to  resist being dominated by Moscow-just as it has in the past. That is  doubtless one of the reasons many Russians enthusiastically endorse a  nuclear-free Ukraine." and
Ukraine would be smart to take similar precautions rather than rely on the benevolence of Russia or the fortitude of the U.S. And the U.S. should stop trying to deprive Eastern Europe of its best insurance against a future that may not be as tranquil as we hope.
Obama& Clinton knew this would/could and made it happen, Merkel acted as Chamberlain did before WOII. If EU had send in peacekeepers with Crimea little green men, borders Ukraine would have been secured and putin would have backed down, (not NATO troops cause usa is in that and would have prevented)

EU and USA/UN should now let every action russia follow by more sanctions (up till now usa didn't send arms under Freedoms Act, EU countries(they passed NATO for obvious reasons) can and do now under Jan15 resolution) up till point no russian offical, not even putin himself, can go outside russia, not a $ can enter russia.., offcourse russia should be blocked from swift,.all russian media except known unbiased should be blocked outside russia, EU pan-european english/russian channel should get broadcasting like format Ukraine Today(those i've asked to add russian subtitles or broadcast in russian with english subtitles- we're used to subtitles fro most of europe, except germany/Franch who still think John Wayne speaks fluent german and french) Positive is attitude Belarus/Kazachstan despite being dictators themselves, they know like also China, you can't change international rules just beacuse you want it. And there should be more covert "separatist "actions in russia itself..

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/11/world/ukraine-gives-in-on-surrendering-its-nuclear-arms.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/21/world/kiev-acts-quickly-on-pledge-to-disarm-nuclear-weapons.html
http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N11/ukraine.11w.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/28/fact-check-could-a-little-known-international-agreement-force-u-s-britain-into-war-with-russia/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/too-bad-ukraine-didnt-kee_b_5235374.html

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/03/17/ukraine-crimea-iran-nukes/  good luck trying iran to give up their nukes
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/brandywine-to-broad/65519-obama-to-iran-never-surrender-your-nukes
2400-2200=200 nukes lost in Ukraine
http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/13-09-2002/17853-0/
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/tactical-nukes-lost-ukraine-dont-be-silly/  1997
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_09/lebedsept                 suitcase
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/tactical-nukes-lost-ukraine-dont-be-silly/  2012
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/Nuclear%20War/soviet_nukes_missing.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3568139.stm   2004
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=298754 2004
http://tomnichols.net/blog/2014/03/19/nuclear-weapons-and-the-ukraine-crisis/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083885/How-Moscow-Washington-avoided-nuclear-doomsday-Soviet-breakup.html 2012 *
https://raymondpronk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/cartoon-ramirez-obama-red-line.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html
http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/2005/LugarObama.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.de%2F%25D0%25BA%25D1%2596%25D0%25BB%25D1%258C%25D0%25BA%25D1%2596%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D1%258C-%25D0%25B6%25D0%25B5%25D1%2580%25D1%2582%25D0%25B2-%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%25D1%2581%25D0%25BB%25D1%2596%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BA-%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D1%2580%25D1%2596%25D0%25BB%25D1%2583-%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D1%2596%25D1%2583%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BB%25D1%258F-%25D0%25B7%25D1%2580%25D0%25BE%25D1%2581%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B0-%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BE-%25D1%2582%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B4%25D1%2586%25D1%258F%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8%2Fa-18213060



Wrote it before, seeing un-logical reaction USA/UK to budapest memorandum, clinton not destroying nukes (making world safer) but giving them to more likely candidate cold war russia, obama as senator destroying smaller arms within Ukraine, not yet any sanctions on putin himself, was it al written ? I never liked USA wargames (liked the movie more, that wopr computer had more common sense then nearly all presidents since FDR) espec. with 9/11/Iraq setup, sadam could use WOMD within 45 minutes, yet let USAled coalition build up a army in 3 months rofl ol  But their recultance to even call it a war from russia towards Ukraine, (i did feb/March 2014) even now its "crisis", they call it incursion, let me to believe this was planned.

As told i was puzzled but then it struck me, if this was planned, then why? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/us/politics/pentagon-plans-to-shrink-army-to-pre-world-war-ii-level.html?_r=0   We know every war is a bankers war, and in present worldwide economic, political, humanitarian and financial system crisis so bank crisis, they need money, they always need more money, while the world lives in debt to ? to Pluto it seems while most debt are just figures on a computer screen, the financial system/bank crisis should better have been solved by a chargeback like with a creditcard, but most countries except some like Iceland choose to support the leeches, the banks so bankcrisis turned into countrycrisis, no problem said the banks, we lend you more money out of thin air.  What struck me in this article, is that military crisis in the world orginate from USA, and has to do with their army size and defence industry. In 1999 it was said that US army had to shrink at least 30%, thanks to GW Bush USA was divided et voila 9/11 was there. We never see a country with a drought getting surprise rain, but US army with its 900 bases in 153 countries always seem to get lucky..it'just not fair...USA starts a not needed war against Sadam Hussein, he has nothing to do with al-quaida, but Iraq has oil....then came Afghanistan.  In this article it's said usarmy has to shrink to before 1942 et voila there is Putin and ISIS, making the mesh in Middle East even bigger. It's not fair, the luck the US army/defence industry has...but is it luck?? Seeing USA actions and press, even Spock would say, its only logical..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-blueprint-would-cut-army-size-as-military-adjusts-to-leaner-budgets/2014/02/24/c029e2b4-9d8d-11e3-9ba6-800d1192d08b_story.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004598.html usa army size 1940 - 2011
http://www.npr.org/2014/04/11/298316737/whats-the-right-size-for-the-u-s-army
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/us-usa-defense-budget-idUSBREA1N1IO20140224

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/us/politics/pentagon-plans-to-shrink-army-to-pre-world-war-ii-level.html?_r=0       ****
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/end-strength.htm


http://www.unian.info/war/1037693-sbu-bodies-of-russian-soldiers-burned-in-mobile-crematoria.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://www.defence24.pl/news_rosjanie-wykorzystuja-mobilne-krematoria-w-donbasie-proba-ukrycia-udzialu-w-walkach&sandbox=1
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a8f_1410729538
https://ruptly.tv/vod/view/20068/ukraine-dnr-and-lnr-aiming-to-unite-along-one-front-pm-zakharchenko
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcensor.net.ua%2Fresonance%2F301105%2Frossiyiskih_soldat_prosto_brosili_poluchat_dengi_za_schet_jizni_ukraintsev_osnovatel_gruppy_gruz200&sandbox=1

Besides forcing conscripts to Donbass, also saving on costs for cargo 200, not compensation for families cause many are forced to sign out of army and forced siging as "volunteer", and then they are using auschwitz method to turn promising lives into ashes, so even saving on dignity of own soldiers, and that Putin even dare to speak of russia pride, even german nazi's in WOII didn't do that with soldiers, no matter what you think of soldiers involvment. That means when truth come out in russia about this putin has signed "russia" deathsentence, and the RF can go on with the other 84 parts, and perhaps even under another name, cause the word "rus" will be contaminated for at least the next 50-100 years to come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium
https://books.google.nl/books?id=gAh2Ji6rBVwC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=ukraine+lost+nukes%2B2004&source=bl&ots=M3x1VvMnK1&sig=C4EbBimZE0nRX_1vLTtqrqAyVsA&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=lgzMVNzfGMiG7QagnIC4Dg&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=ukraine%20lost%20nukes%2B2004&f=false
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Intermarium-484744235
not intermariun, you think anyone in Ukraine wants THAT, brotherly feelings towards russian is gone for next 50-100 years, RF isn't russia, and russia isn't RF, that federation was not voluntary, putin itself introduced sepratism  they other 84 parts can form their own RF and/or AF (asian), rf doesn't need moscovite-kremlin, kremlin-moscovite can't live without other 84 parts.
If besides Ukraine, parts of georgie, Chenchyna and moldava can also take on Belarus and Kazachstan, he's wrong....espec with ruble/oil/sanctions will get worse as soon as world realisizes it goes beyond Ukraine.

relations China with putin has cooled down and just ask Kazachstan , they would like to see a Asian federation, perhaps even China wants to join. and instead of the contaminated term RF, besides that AF it can be called EF eurpean federation (perhaps even the eu (or at least its people) wants to join that ! BTW putin should have proposed THAT instead of going to war.. Like I wrote in march 2014.
China as superpowers knows it has and wants to live by the rules of world political system.

http://www.dw.de/kremlin-hardliners-rule-in-putins-russia/a-17932564
http://www.unian.info/world/1037722-kremlin-concerned-corruption-will-destroy-russias-sovereignty.html
easy solution, remove putin and seize his fortune 75 billion, also of kremlin hawks  Sergei Ivanov, Sergei Shoygu and Igor Sechin and  the Kovalchuk brothers and Gennady Timshenko

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/01/28/ukraine-looking-more-like-poland-on-the-brink-of-world-war-two/

Every empire is destined to fail and fall, it never takes long before dreams of future just turn out to be dreams of the past.

belarus says to here and no further

http://joinfo.com/world/1001195_Aleksandr-Lukashenko-Belarus-to-withdraw-Eurasian.html

mariupol
http://www.osce.org/search/pages/mariupol
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/117795
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/03/25/five-key-questions-and-answers-about-the-osce-mission-in-ukraine/

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/26/yulia-tymoshenko-russia-should-be-expelled-from-the-un-security-council/
before that all vetopowers of all members of UNSC should be banned, if a international community excists by a set of rules, ALL should obey them, and not have the power to veto it...even Luchaschenko said that. And if he would be expelled from UNSC, the max of sanctions on all finnancial, political, economical should be placed, otherwise they think they can do whatever they want.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/01/29/from-the-front-a-ukrainian-tank-commanders-act-of-mercy/

russia is russian federation, moscovite/kremlin isn't russian federation or russia, russia as such doesn't excist, it's a obligatory not voluntary federation, the 84 other parts can without moscow/kremlin,  kremlin/moscow can't without the 84 other parts.

31012015


http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-daughter/26822333.html
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/moscow-launches-french-language-propaganda-platform-311703 Ban all russian media
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/30/yuriy-sergeyev-the-next-humanitarian-convoy-to-ukraine-will-be-considered-an-invasion/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-general-says-russia-knew-rebel-offensive-was-coming-1422648760
http://www.unian.info/politics/1037745-the-junta-strikes-back.html
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/how-to-stop-russias-war-against-ukraine-378960.html
http://www.eastonline.eu/en/opinions/riding-the-russian-rollercoaster/nadiya-savchenko-is-sick
http://uatoday.tv/news/hundreds-gather-outside-white-house-in-support-of-ukraine-405209.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/russia-is-denying-the-obvious-in-ukraine/515039.html
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/30/terrorist-commander-from-russia-spotted-at-spring-kharkiv-protest/
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgolosukraine.blogspot.nl%2F2015%2F01%2Fblog-post_90.html

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/fight-democracy-why-ukraine-matters
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/01/30/arm-ukraine-to-avoid-another-bosnia/
Ruslan urges Ukrainians worldwide to join the fight against the aggressor
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoinfo.ua%2Fsociaty%2F1068665_Ruslana-prizivaet-ukraintsev-vsem-mire-vstupit.html
http://uatoday.tv/geopolitics/polish-defence-minister-says-no-obstacles-exist-to-arming-ukraine-in-ongoing-war-406200.html
http://www.army.mil/article/141944/NATO_strives_for_peaceful_resolve_to_Ukraine/
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/at-least-14-civilians-killed-in-donbas-as-peace-talks-go-nowhere-379016.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/top-executive-attacked-for-ukraine-links-quits-moscow-exchange/515181.html
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ratification-of-ukrainian-polish-lithuanian-brigade-submitted-to-rada-378878.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/great-reads/la-fg-c1-ukraine-donetsk-airport-20150128-story.html#page=1
http://www.rferl.org/content/georgia-ossetia-russia-ukraine-annexation-fears-crimea/26820543.html


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpatrioty.org.ua%2Fnavishho-knigi-u-moskvi-spalili-naystarishu-biblioteku-rosiyi-video%2F   oldest library moscow burned
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/at-least-1427-soldiers-killed-in-russias-war-against-ukraine-378906.html
http://conflictreport.info/2015/01/29/the-most-modern-russian-army-air-defense-system-is-in-makeevka-what-does-this-mean/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31055881 debaltsve
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-russia-props-up-putin-in-the-polls/2015/01/30/0302bea8-a59e-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html
http://morristowngreen.com/2015/01/29/an-impossible-situation-russian-conductor-to-honor-ukrainian-pianist-amidst-protests-at-morristown-celebration/
http://www.unian.info/society/1036824-nearly-60-children-killed-since-beginning-of-donbas-conflict.html
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Greece-does-not-oppose-extended-EU-sanctions-against-Moscow-33331.html
http://news.sky.com/story/1418069/deadly-shell-strike-as-ukrainians-queue-for-aid
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-treason-mother-charged-ukraine-troops/26821177.html
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/30/russian-analyst-russias-turn-to-fascism-should-surprise-no-one/
http://uatoday.tv/society/human-rights-watch-highlights-abuse-of-prisoners-and-human-shield-tactics-in-ukraine-406035.html

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/george-woloshyn-time-to-act-swiftly-378545.html
http://joinfo.com/world/1001195_Aleksandr-Lukashenko-Belarus-to-withdraw-Eurasian.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/magazine/spy-vs-nonspy-in-putins-russia.html?_r=0
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/28/video-eng-sub-russian-terrorists-open-mortar-fire-from-within-a-residential-area-in-horlivka/

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/russia-is-denying-the-obvious-in-ukraine/515039.html
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/putins-luegen-glaubt-russlands-praesident-die-eigene-propaganda-a-1015309.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/29/opposition-leaders-launch-russian-tv-channel

een brabander vecht mee tegen de russen
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/brabander-aan-front-oekraine-uit-wraak-om-mh17

https://twitter.com/crusoes/status/561519005463506944 Dutch #MH17 expert group is back in Donetsk.

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2015/01/hevige_gevechten_oostoekraine.html

https://www.goudstandaard.com/koersgrafiek

stelt weinig voor,
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/home/goudvoorraad-steeds-minder-belangrijk

dks
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/07/article-0-12F78B62000005DC-948_468x301.jpg
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/20/1361361121652/429ffb3c-9dfd-40a7-8e65-486baa443646-620x372.jpeg
https://russianreport.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/babushka-apples.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38209000/jpg/_38209971_old_women_300ap.jpg
http://www.speechlessvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/funny-fails-of-drunk-women.jpg
http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Hilarious-Russian-Photos-Party-Time.jpg

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2015/01/rebellen_eisen_staakthetvuren.html

http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2015/01/soldaten_omgekomen_in_oekraine.html




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