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Title: Oorlog Rusland 8 juli Ukraine/IS what's american interest?
Post by: admin on July 06, 2015, 18:42:09 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/chris.wynnykwilson/posts/10207005000901276 (https://www.facebook.com/chris.wynnykwilson/posts/10207005000901276)
"Does the US only help oil countries?" said an exasperated Natalie Jaresco, Ukraine's minister of finance and an American from Chicago.
"Ukraine has got a democracy here. If this fails, there is no reason to try and do democracy any place else."

oil countries are no democracies, not even USA, IS is funded by Gulfstates and Saudia Arabia, we all know that
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview)

btw this also fits nearly every country, only the top 15-7-1% matters, not the 85% common people ,and also the financial power is concentrated BlackRock(has every week meeting with USA Finance minister) , State Street, Vanguard and Fidelity.
In other words, four companies decide what you eat, what you drink, what medications you get, what transport you drive, what operating system your computer is running, what kind of computer you have, WHERE WAR IS, which is being drilled for oil, how your home furnishings is what is on television, which run movies in theaters and how much fuel costs. Since these businesses want to gather as much wealth and power you can't expect that public health or wellbeing in their policies is a high priority. More info from yes pravda http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/18-10-2011/119355-The_Large_Families_that_rule_the_world-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/18-10-2011/119355-The_Large_Families_that_rule_the_world-0/) that point at the end to these big four. And here a swiss report thats'lick clockwork   http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf)


If USA doesn't arm Ukraine, after disarming it in 90's, Ukraine should take USA to court, for BM, its know USA disn't want SU to dissolve, it was means to sell arms to NATO countries
http://nypost.com/2015/07/05/the-struggle-for-ukraine-is-more-serious-than-isis/ (http://nypost.com/2015/07/05/the-struggle-for-ukraine-is-more-serious-than-isis/)

  and yes Taliban and Al-Qaida were also founded and funded by USA, we don't believe in putin's fairytales but also not in that of USA ! No longer available (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw#)

I love Americans, but since my 16th (1972) I came to dislike and distrust USA govt after reading J.D. bernal
For the Pentagon doctrine regarding war :

Science in History, Vol. 2: The Scientific and Industrial Revolution Paperback – March 15, 1971
by J.D. Bernal (Author)
ISBN-13: 978-0262520218  ISBN-10: 0262520214
Page 627 quote:

Half a dozen hydrogen bombs is enough to wipe out the cities and industry of England.
According to a US military expert a total US nuclear war with Soviet Union(then: note) would
cost about 700 million deaths, of which 250 million deaths in Europe, which certainly would
not be limited to the enemy.
Such US military theorists have even prepared a reasonable price in the form of up to 60 million
deaths in the US itself in a nuclear war against the Soviet Union
to defend VITAL AMERICAN (industry )INTERESTS  ... end of quote
and we were thinking Hitler and Stalin were BAD? They were just playing in the kindergarten...
and ask yourself with all the fighting in Syria and Iraq IS never fired a single shot on Israel??, they have all the USA weapons, they're trained with, just like Bin laden was trained by USA...

I think all this is reason Obama behaves like a lame duck! and Discovery since last year "suddenly" has boom of war programs...propaganda, and yes we now the granddad of Jeb Bush prescott lost all his belongings cause untill 1942 he did business with Hitler, lets not talk around the bush smile-emoticon

http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf (http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf)
https://www.google.nl/search?q=Princeton+Study%3A+U.S.+No+Longer+An+Actual+Democracy&rlz=1C1AVNG_enNL647NL647&oq=Princeton+Study%3A+U.S.+No+Longer+An+Actual+Democracy&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2489j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.nl/search?q=Princeton+Study%3A+U.S.+No+Longer+An+Actual+Democracy&rlz=1C1AVNG_enNL647NL647&oq=Princeton+Study%3A+U.S.+No+Longer+An+Actual+Democracy&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2489j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8)


http://www.unian.info/economics/1096950-bloomberg-russias-biggest-lenders-scaling-down-staff-due-to-eu-sanctions.html (http://www.unian.info/economics/1096950-bloomberg-russias-biggest-lenders-scaling-down-staff-due-to-eu-sanctions.html)

http://uk.businessinsider.com/russian-fighter-pilots-shot-flares-at-swedish-jets-2015-6?r=US (http://uk.businessinsider.com/russian-fighter-pilots-shot-flares-at-swedish-jets-2015-6?r=US)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qq8jO2_jAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qq8jO2_jAo) nieuws over?



http://nahnews.org/268139-litovskij-deputat-predlozhil-bombit-kiev-dlya-prinuzhdeniya-k-miru/ (http://nahnews.org/268139-litovskij-deputat-predlozhil-bombit-kiev-dlya-prinuzhdeniya-k-miru/)
I think he means bomb Moscow like Belgrado, cause Serbs were the warmongers in Yuguslavia, and russia in Ukraine? Can hardly say Kyiv invaded Ukraine

http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html (http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html)
The crisis in Ukraine: This was not the Second World War("

Читать далее: http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html#ixzz3f787mWIp (http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html#ixzz3f787mWIp)

The war in the former Yugoslavia was one of the main challenges for Madeleine Albright - the former US s

Читать далее: http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html#ixzz3f78DjPbC (http://inosmi.ru/world/20150706/228948723.html#ixzz3f78DjPbC)

Site Grushinskiy festival reported the murder Makarevich
Any official information about the death of a famous Russian musician Andrei Makarevich missing.

http://gordonua.com/news/culture/Sayt-Grushinskogo-festivalya-soobshchil-ob-ubiystve-Makarevicha-88224.html (http://gordonua.com/news/culture/Sayt-Grushinskogo-festivalya-soobshchil-ob-ubiystve-Makarevicha-88224.html)

http://defence-line.org/2015/07/ocherednoj-babax/ (http://defence-line.org/2015/07/ocherednoj-babax/)
rrails blown up


https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/purchase-of-t-72-main-battle-tank#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/purchase-of-t-72-main-battle-tank#/)


http://www.coruption.net/statti/item/48466-yurii-rybchynskyi-za-shcho-zasudzhuvaty-lorak-i-povalii-koly-v-nashoho-prezydenta-tezh-biznes-u-rosii (http://www.coruption.net/statti/item/48466-yurii-rybchynskyi-za-shcho-zasudzhuvaty-lorak-i-povalii-koly-v-nashoho-prezydenta-tezh-biznes-u-rosii)

Cemeteries on Crimea now used to bury people and waste
http://ukrmirnews.blogspot.com/2015/07/blog-post_6.html (http://ukrmirnews.blogspot.com/2015/07/blog-post_6.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fukrmirnews.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fblog-post_6.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fukrmirnews.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fblog-post_6.html&edit-text=)

The first President of Chechen Republic of Ichkeria about Russia and russians. In 1991 Ichkeria declared Independance after the break of Soviet Union. The newly established Russian Federation didn't agreed and answered with First Russian-Chechen war, starten in 1994, and ended in 1997 after signing the Hasavurt agreement. For this moment, Dudaev was already dead, killed by a russian avia rocked 21 April 1996.

The First President Of Chechnya Djokhar Dudaev about Russian-Caucasian war (Estonian film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAWemhJUyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAWemhJUyM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev)


http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/06/potanin/?f (http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/06/potanin/?f)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-neglect-of-ukraine/2015/07/05/37d08050-20cf-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html?hpid=z3 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-neglect-of-ukraine/2015/07/05/37d08050-20cf-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html?hpid=z3)



Is the war in Ukraine in "the american (defense industry) interest"??
That should be the question.

If USA had let the nukes in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazachstan Europe would have been safe for centuries, but USA didn't want USSR to disslove, it made them a lot $$ in armsales to NATO members, who asked after Berlin Wall fell, where are those fucking tanks, USA?

So not only russia should be held accountable, most of all the USA !!
USA= U Stand Alone , unless we can make money of you...

USA is not a democracy but a oliarchy as Princeton study proved, it's not goverend by the people but by the big (defence)companies.

7 minutes of the Truth about the Donbass. 18+ (Do not forget, do not you dare forget ...)
http://ok.ru/video/27583187598 (http://ok.ru/video/27583187598)

kindergarten/nursing hoem
http://www.adme.ru/zhizn-dobro/dom-prestarelyh-sovmestili-s-detskim-sadom-966460/ (http://www.adme.ru/zhizn-dobro/dom-prestarelyh-sovmestili-s-detskim-sadom-966460/)



http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/in-russian-occupied-donetsk-debate-heated-over-use-of-child-soldiers-in-war-against-ukraine-392798.html (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/in-russian-occupied-donetsk-debate-heated-over-use-of-child-soldiers-in-war-against-ukraine-392798.html)


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-claims-super-weapon-disables-6008370 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-claims-super-weapon-disables-6008370)

This article explained What the Crimean Tatar really want..
Now Ukraine has to make the critical decision for the Crimean Tatars and many of my friends - Ukrainians (and not so friends too))) ask:
So what is a difference for You - a territorial-national autonomy or national-cultural autonomy ? We are in one team. I will try to explain...
Please Re-post - so more people would Understand the Difference ..hopefully....
http://polupravde.net/9906.htm (http://polupravde.net/9906.htm)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolupravde.net%2F9906.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolupravde.net%2F9906.htm&edit-text=)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/05/is-the-greek-rejection-of-austerity-the-end-of-modern-europe/?utm_content=buffer27d1c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer (https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/05/is-the-greek-rejection-of-austerity-the-end-of-modern-europe/?utm_content=buffer27d1c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

http://onpress.info/na-ukraine-putin-tolko-trenirovalsya-glavnaya-tsel-prezidenta-rf-unichtozhenie-es-a-zatem-i-nato-35451 (http://onpress.info/na-ukraine-putin-tolko-trenirovalsya-glavnaya-tsel-prezidenta-rf-unichtozhenie-es-a-zatem-i-nato-35451)
In Ukraine, Putin only trained, the main goal of the destruction of the Russian president of the EU, then NATO


Got Game: Europe switched from Greece to Ukraine as a more promising - expert
http://onpress.info/doigralis-evropa-pereklyuchaetsya-s-gretsii-na-ukrainu-kak-bolee-perspektivnuyu-ekspert-35462 (http://onpress.info/doigralis-evropa-pereklyuchaetsya-s-gretsii-na-ukrainu-kak-bolee-perspektivnuyu-ekspert-35462)

Russia will send all the addicts in Crimea
http://uapress.info/ru/news/show/84794 (http://uapress.info/ru/news/show/84794)

Writer Sorokin: Russia plunges into a new Middle Ages
Подробнее: http://www.rosbalt.ru/video/2015/07/06/1413295.html (http://www.rosbalt.ru/video/2015/07/06/1413295.html)

http://by24.org/2015/07/05/china_invested_3_7_billions_to_shell_gas/ (http://by24.org/2015/07/05/china_invested_3_7_billions_to_shell_gas/)
'' Gazprom '' shocked: China has invested $ 3.7 billion in shale gas
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fby24.org%2F2015%2F07%2F05%2Fchina_invested_3_7_billions_to_shell_gas%2F&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fby24.org%2F2015%2F07%2F05%2Fchina_invested_3_7_billions_to_shell_gas%2F&edit-text=)

FSB issued from a bank in St. Petersburg, 100 kilograms of dollars a State Duma deputy
The staff of the Investigative Committee of Russia, together with the FSB commandos seized from the "City Invest Bank" in St. Petersburg for more than seven million dollars that belong to the State Duma deputy from the "Fair Russia" Alexey Lysyakova. Money seized in the investigation of the case of fraud on a large scale, said "to Fontanka.ru" in the Monday, July 6

http://snob.ru/selected/entry/94917 (http://snob.ru/selected/entry/94917)

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/07/06/its-important-the-world-knows-about-inhuman-torture-used-against-ukraines-pows-says-father/ (http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/07/06/its-important-the-world-knows-about-inhuman-torture-used-against-ukraines-pows-says-father/)


http://pda.kontrakty.ua/article/88133 (http://pda.kontrakty.ua/article/88133)

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/police-investigating-naked-hair-salon-in-moscow/524990.html (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/police-investigating-naked-hair-salon-in-moscow/524990.html)

http://www.adme.ru/tvorchestvo-fotografy/18-fotografij-kotorye-my-nikogda-ne-videli-prezhde-968460/?image=17877160&utm_campaign=art-images-share#image17877160 (http://www.adme.ru/tvorchestvo-fotografy/18-fotografij-kotorye-my-nikogda-ne-videli-prezhde-968460/?image=17877160&utm_campaign=art-images-share#image17877160)

Media: Russia wants Ukraine to pay for the "secret" flying AN-26 during the Maidan

http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/SMI-Rossiya-trebuet-ot-Ukrainy-rasschitatsya-za-sekretnye-polety-AN-26-vo-vremya-Maydana-88334.html (http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/SMI-Rossiya-trebuet-ot-Ukrainy-rasschitatsya-za-sekretnye-polety-AN-26-vo-vremya-Maydana-88334.html)

KANDELAKI CALLED ZEMFIRA CRAZY FOR SUPPORTING UKRAINE
http://newsonline24.com.ua/kandelaki-nazvala-zemfiru-sumasshedshej-za-podderzhku-ukrainy?_utl_t=fb (http://newsonline24.com.ua/kandelaki-nazvala-zemfiru-sumasshedshej-za-podderzhku-ukrainy?_utl_t=fb)

http://stopdebankiers.eu/brics-bank-staat-al-klaar-om-grieken-op-te-vangen/ (http://stopdebankiers.eu/brics-bank-staat-al-klaar-om-grieken-op-te-vangen/)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-conservatives-are-destroying-europe-with-austerity-says-economist-thomas-piketty-10368040.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-conservatives-are-destroying-europe-with-austerity-says-economist-thomas-piketty-10368040.html)

http://rosuznik.org/arrests/63 (http://rosuznik.org/arrests/63)  savchenko accused of




https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/07/06/war-with-russia-baltics/ (https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/07/06/war-with-russia-baltics/)


http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/07/06/mirnym-zhiteljam-donbassa-nadoela-voina-oni-prizyvajut-boevikov-slozhit-oruzhie.html (http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/07/06/mirnym-zhiteljam-donbassa-nadoela-voina-oni-prizyvajut-boevikov-slozhit-oruzhie.html)

Civilians Donbass tired war - they are calling the militants to lay down arms
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/07/06/mirnym-zhiteljam-donbassa-nadoela-voina-oni-prizyvajut-boevikov-slozhit-oruzhie.html&usg=ALkJrhiBkuzr0HDDNg8Yvc26JmYjE43XqA (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/07/06/mirnym-zhiteljam-donbassa-nadoela-voina-oni-prizyvajut-boevikov-slozhit-oruzhie.html&usg=ALkJrhiBkuzr0HDDNg8Yvc26JmYjE43XqA)

http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/06/22/kazaki-podryvajut-dnr-iznutri.html (http://donbass.ua/news/region/2015/06/22/kazaki-podryvajut-dnr-iznutri.html)

So - two terrible news from the oil front. And both, if confirmed, would be for Russia worth more than 100 Greece. Oba news sensationalism upper class, but ... apofigey - will come in the next 2 weeks.
http://polupravde.net/9914.htm (http://polupravde.net/9914.htm)
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Current-Oil-Price-Slump-Far-From-Over.html (http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Current-Oil-Price-Slump-Far-From-Over.html)


The aggressor is being fed by world energy markets. We think the prices on those markets are about to go down again. Some things pointing towards a lower oil price:
* Euro crisis
* Chinese stock market collapse
* Coming interest hikes in the U.S.
* Continued overproduction
* Shale oil producers capacity to lower the break even price
We recommend this excellent article on the topic. The article makes a good case for why prices will stay low and maybe drop substantially over the second half of 2015.



http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/07/06/siemens-to-help-provide-forbidden-power-to-crimea/ (http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/07/06/siemens-to-help-provide-forbidden-power-to-crimea/)



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