https://themoscowtimes.com/photogalleries/how-moscow-celebrated-its-871st-birthday-62828 (https://themoscowtimes.com/photogalleries/how-moscow-celebrated-its-871st-birthday-62828)
Kyiv is 1536 years old so yes historywise, churchwise and languagewise, Muscovy is daughter of Kyvian/Ukraine-RUS, and no Muscovites aren't russians even :-)
the list for today
http://krantvannederland.nl/discuss/list/2018/11092018.html (http://krantvannederland.nl/discuss/list/2018/11092018.html)